aknitwit ([info]aknitwit) wrote,
@ 2008-11-12 16:17:00
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Grammar Rant
There was a box on my MSN home page today explaining the difference between lie and lay.  The improper use of these words has always made me crazed.  In essence, if you recline you lie, and if you place something you lay.  You lay things on the table.  A hen lays an egg.  You lie down for a nap.  You lie in the sun.  So, it should be Lie Lady Lie, Mr. Dylan.  I am probably preaching to the choir here, as you all are educated, but some people near and dear to me are educated too, but a little casual grammatically.  Which leads me to "irregardless".

The "ir" in irrelevant, irregular, etc., means 'not' or 'un'.  Therefore, irregardless means "not regardless", which is opposite of the intent.  There is no such word.  Use of this word in my presence makes my teeth hurt.  I think I have passed this prejudice on to my daughter.  My own mother used to correct my grammar relentlessly, until there was no need to do so anymore.  I have been guilty (blush) of correcting others, even those not related, but I getting better, more mellow, I think.  I am almost OK with the current, improper, use of the word "hopefully", since it is in such common usage that it almost becomes proper.

Thus ends The Grammar Hour.  Next we will rant on your/you're and its/it's.  Then maybe we'll do were/was.

PS  Here is the link to the Encarta article, for those of you interested.
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/Features/Columns/Default.aspx?article=LayLie&gt1=27001



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[info]slothman
2008-11-13 12:48 am UTC (link)
Also “hoard” and “horde”.

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[info]aknitwit
2008-11-13 12:50 am UTC (link)
Good one! I'll make a note. I might also have to address dawned and donned.

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[info]slothman
2008-11-13 12:58 am UTC (link)
And then there’s this popular userpic:

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[info]aknitwit
2008-11-13 01:02 am UTC (link)
I LOVE this!!!

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[info]palecur
2008-11-13 01:48 am UTC (link)
The (apocryphal?) quote from of the old newspaper manuals of style: "A burro is an ass. A burrow is a hole in the ground. As a journalist, you are expected to know the difference."

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[info]palecur
2008-11-13 01:47 am UTC (link)
'Rein' and 'reign' -- every time someone gives something 'free reign' I die a little inside.

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[info]slothman
2008-11-13 04:12 am UTC (link)
Yes, and it’s very different to tow a line and toe the line.

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[info]devonapple
2008-11-13 12:51 am UTC (link)
"tenet" and "tenant"
"tack and tact"

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[info]devonapple
2008-11-13 12:53 am UTC (link)
I also can't recall the differentiation of "lie" and "lay" from my grammar schooling... it may have simply been one of those grammar rules one passively absorbed as a child, but I'll have to watch my current usage to see if I commit the same error.

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[info]deirdremoon
2008-11-13 12:54 am UTC (link)
As long as you're being the bad grammar cop, could you cover then/than? I know that's another one that's near and dear to several teeth-gritting friends of mine. :)

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[info]aknitwit
2008-11-13 12:58 am UTC (link)
I'm writing all this down and will do a follow-up soon. Anything else?

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[info]deirdremoon
2008-11-13 01:01 am UTC (link)
Only that you're suddenly very popular. :)

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[info]palecur
2008-11-13 01:56 am UTC (link)
Hell, I'm still a bit fuzzy on which/that from time to time. But this makes it all clear. Now I need to not lose the link.

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[info]jackkansas
2008-11-13 01:01 am UTC (link)
My personal bete noire is the almost universal belief that "less" and "fewer" mean the same thing.

Correct: There is less snow on the ground than last year.

Incorrect: There are less cars on the road than last year.

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[info]aknitwit
2008-11-13 01:05 am UTC (link)
Right on.

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[info]lovmelovmycats
2008-11-13 01:39 am UTC (link)
's is not plural!

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[info]palecur
2008-11-13 01:50 am UTC (link)
My brother [info]ronebofh had a series of somewhat salty mnemonics for the clueless, the only one of which I currently remember is "The LOSER's date turned out to be a good bit LOOSER than he expected."

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[info]palecur
2008-11-13 01:52 am UTC (link)
While there are many, many reasons I love the Rex Stout mysteries with Nero Wolfe in them, one of them is an exchange with an underling. Wolfe tells the underling that 'contact' is not a verb, whereupon the underling protests, citing the dictionary, and Wolfe retorts: "'Contact' is not a verb under this roof."

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[info]jackkansas
2008-11-13 06:36 am UTC (link)
Heh. I remember the exchange, but can't cite chapter and verse. I love the whole aura of literacy that pervades the Wolfe stories!

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[info]kadyg
2008-11-13 06:30 am UTC (link)
As a former newspaper grrl, I can join you on the teeth gnashing bench. I once had the great pleasure of watching a copy editor rip a new one on a young reporter who apparently made it that far in life without ever having "your" and "you're" clarified. And I nearly broke up with a lovely young man over "irregardless". All my journalism friends were completely on my side.

Also, incorrect use of quote marks and the word "literally" drives me nuts. if you literally died you would all be dead and talking about the "fresh" and "local" seafood does not mean what you think it does.

Fortunately Bax's grammer - both written and spoken - is pretty impeccable. This bodes well for our future offspring, I think.

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[info]aknitwit
2008-11-14 12:25 am UTC (link)
Yes, I think your kids have a great chance to be literate and correct. You can certainly teach by example. But also nag, nag, and nag some more.

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